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Title: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: Ludvik Koutny on 2013-07-05, 12:33:18
Hi,

recently, with release of Alpha 5, our forum activity raised a lot and with it also amount of posts, especially in gallery. While i definitely see that as a positive thing, I would prefer if a value of posts on this forum came out of their quality, not quantity. I understand many of you often post comments or congratulations in gallery just to encourage authors to use corona further and to show us as a warm and welcoming community, but i am really starting to be afraid we will become another Evermotion forum.

I would like to ask you all to help improve standards of this forum by putting a little more time into your post, and also not to post just for sake of keeping forum activity up. It would be great, if every post carried something constructive, as it would really add to the value of this forum and make majority of information stored here relevant.

Almost none of the 3D pictures are 100% perfect, and it helps a lot more if you point out what is the weakest aspect of the image or what you personally dislike, so the authors can work on it next time and improve themselves. Or if you just really like the image, then you can describe what is so catching about the image, so author can build on top of that to push it even further.

This is by no means order or a new forum rule, it is just my personal request to you all, and as we are an adult and intelligent community, i am sure most of you will understand what i mean. I would just like to avoid this forum being flooded by the kind of comments i used to name this thread ;)

There are also other sections like general discussion and offtopic, where you can create new discussion about pretty much anything and you are encouraged to do so. If you want to keep forum activity up, that is the way to do it. Some interesting discussions about CG industry, software, hardware, or just funny cat videos or bike riding may come out of this. And even those will still have a lot more value than simple non-constructive congratulations and praising.

Thanks in advance ;)

PS: It would be a good idea to spread this thread around the forum by for example linking it in a reply whenever you feel like the discussion is going down to the Evermotion forum level :)
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: maru on 2013-07-05, 12:47:39
So basically we don't want to have Deviant Art here.
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: Sam75 on 2013-07-05, 13:33:36
Grate post!!! Congratz!!!!
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: Polymax on 2013-07-06, 20:27:35
Strongly agree!!!
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: Chakib on 2013-07-06, 23:08:53
Strongly agree!!!

I agree, the work in progress section should be the place to focuse on more before posting the final master piece, so everyone can enjoy sharing their helps and comments to improve it the right way and everybody is for a win !

Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: Tylox on 2013-07-07, 12:21:24
I agree but not agree, it's a little bit elitist.
Basically you're saying that people who doesn't know Corona render, should not post pictures ?
I thought it was a community site, so yes we maybe need a thread with the best of the gallery like CGtalk ?
I mean you can't ask people not to post image when they learn Corona, if so i guess the reputation of this site will fall in a week !!
I understand what you mean but don't you think your post wil be misunderstood ?
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: Ludvik Koutny on 2013-07-07, 13:46:22
I agree but not agree, it's a little bit elitist.
Basically you're saying that people who doesn't know Corona render, should not post pictures ?
I thought it was a community site, so yes we maybe need a thread with the best of the gallery like CGtalk ?
I mean you can't ask people not to post image when they learn Corona, if so i guess the reputation of this site will fall in a week !!
I understand what you mean but don't you think your post wil be misunderstood ?

No, you clearly do not understand what i mean and... Yes, in your specific case you misunderstood my post.
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: Tylox on 2013-07-07, 13:47:47
ok sorry for that.
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: Ludvik Koutny on 2013-07-07, 13:51:45
To clarify it...  i am not talking about gallery submissions but about primitive replies, such as:

"good work"
"nice render"
"nice, congrats"
"great work"
"really good"
"nice work"
"very good"
"very nice"
"wow, nice"
"wow, excellent"
"excellent work"
"excellent render"
"good render"

And similar kind of non-constructive comments.

Heck...  i could even write random Evermotion forum reply generator, and it would still look authentic....
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: Tylox on 2013-07-07, 14:05:59
ok ok sorry, understood. I'm french and i just not understand all the post.
So to answer to your post, i think it's a good thing but for the non english people on the forum, it's sometimes not really easy to explain and to give a critic of the image and some other who doesn't speak english at all are just glad to encourage some artist with just a "great work".

Regards.
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: maru on 2013-07-07, 15:36:06
So to answer to your post, i think it's a good thing but for the non english people on the forum, it's sometimes not really easy to explain and to give a critic of the image and some other who doesn't speak english at all are just glad to encourage some artist with just a "great work".

Regards.

Oh come on, you could at least try google translate ( http://translate.google.com/ ). I think it's ok to write replies like this:

Good render, but I would change....../recommend...../you should definitely change these settings:.......

This doesn't cost you much.
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: Tylox on 2013-07-07, 16:39:17
i don't speak for me, i just say it.
Now, if this thread it's just an affirmation and not a conversation, ok, so be it !
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: rafpug on 2013-07-07, 17:50:19
Good evening

I would say that Corona is a great rendering engine for both speed setting.

Congratulations go exclusively from the manufacturer of Corona Renderer.

Greetings and Thanks
Raffaele
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: Ludvik Koutny on 2013-07-07, 18:45:08
i don't speak for me, i just say it.
Now, if this thread it's just an affirmation and not a conversation, ok, so be it !

You are more than welcome to discuss it ;) Even such things as this could yield some interesting points of view.
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: poko on 2013-10-22, 16:56:42
Hi All.
Sometimes I have just few minutes free to see whats new in "great renderer Corona" gallery and I want to appreciate someone's work.
So I'm very sorry if my words like "nice, great, super" are not enough:)
So Congratz!!! for this post;)
Good idea with separate finished/need help work.
Best.
PO
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: ttaberna on 2014-04-04, 14:00:55
Yeah, people can be constructive in their comments, but asking this from everybody could lead to no answers at all. just my 2cts
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: Ondra on 2014-04-04, 14:37:25
So far it is working, average project here in gallery gets SIGNIFICANTLY more comments than for example on evermotion, and most of them are constructive ones.
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: ttaberna on 2014-04-04, 14:44:54
So far it is working, average project here in gallery gets SIGNIFICANTLY more comments than for example on evermotion, and most of them are constructive ones.
Yes you are right, i've been lurking around last couple of weeks...I was just saying that I saw this happening before. Of course nobody wants another evermotion lol.
Btw great work loving it, can't wait to see the development of this wonderful engine going forward...thank you!
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: Juraj Talcik on 2014-04-04, 16:55:21
Well, I would say the same will eventually happen, it's simply tied to rate of content consumption nowadays. With the amount of work posted on Evermotion, and system it's moving, it's pointless to participate in any form of discussion,
even more so, when people really just want to show the work and won't follow up with answers.

At the moment, it might feel like (albeit growing big day by day) family sort of community, but it will sooner or later morph into the same. There is zero reason why this forum would follow absolutely different curve of evolution
than all the other ones, esp. when other, much bigger forums (like CGTalk) followed very similar fate.

Last but not least, not that anyone cares about rules anyway :- ) I presume no one ever read this properly.
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: Ondra on 2014-04-04, 17:52:42
I'm not saying it wont happen, I am saying I am enjoying for now ;)
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: Juraj Talcik on 2014-04-04, 18:04:40
I'm not saying it wont happen, I am saying I am enjoying for now ;)

Well, one thing that won't happen though for sure is the ever popular Ever trend "Plz sir kindly send me whole scene to abx@xyz.com". It's my instant association with Evermotion, nothing describes it better.
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: romullus on 2014-04-04, 18:14:55
I was about to repeat my request for like button here on forum, but seems Keymaster likes how things are now, so i guess, there's no point in doing that :]
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: Lucutus on 2014-09-16, 10:45:58
I really want to congratulate you guys to your great job. Corona is really awsome.

At the moment im thinking of using it in a bigger commercial project that will start soon.
But this job will last till next year and the current licences will expire at the end of the year.

Can you tell what your plans for the near future, especially from 01.01.2015 are?

youcan imagine that its not very comfortable to get licencing issues with your renderer in the middle of a project ;)

greetz

Lucutus
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: tomislavn on 2014-09-16, 10:56:23
Time to contact dr. Emmett Brown :D
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: sbrusse on 2014-12-08, 09:26:46
Well in doubt and if you can, use Alpha 6 as this is a free version that should stay that way.

Stan
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: spadestick on 2015-04-30, 07:04:23
great workz! good post! love your signature rawavalanche....  it sounds like "I loved corona when it was free"...

aside from that little note, I am a self declared corona junkie. everytime we search for corona, some beer comes up.
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: mutilo on 2019-02-22, 11:49:07
Hi everyone,
as I see it and for the jobs that place, more constructive comments would be welcome (especially to me because I'm still a wimp).
To avoid this you could leave the gallery section and use it as images rewarded by administrators or those with more likes, where the comments do not find much space. While using the WIP section as a general container to post images being processed and final images. Two containers that are very different, it's a bit of confusion.
As an Italian user, many of us are registered at https://www.c4dzone.com/it/, I invite you to visit it.
Mine is just an opinion, the directors can also not take note. ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: mutilo on 2019-02-22, 11:55:58
cabbage I had not seen the date of the post ...
sorry I arrived in a bit late
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: evalery on 2019-06-18, 22:58:52
It's funny cause on evermotion forum I've seen a post exactly like this, a moderator exasperated about "nice "good work" and so on... lol
I think maybe you need to allow some more diversity on forums like these and not do the usual ignore/disregard people who are not necessarily very techy and have a very specific gender. These forums are geeky boys clubs and we all know guys are generally not very good at talking. (lol)

This profession - 3d artist, CG artist etc, doesn't require only technical skills but also some artistic skills, an art background or at least some art theory and history knowledge and a lot of common sense. You don't have to be a computer scientist anymore to use a computer these days. So, my point is that forums like these don't encourage people to comment because of this attitude of exclusivity - most of the people are probably frightened to say smth that may seem wrong or not technical enough or who knows, usually guys in this profession are introverts and they have no idea how to express themselves.

Personally, here I barely get any attention when I post. I'm not totally ignored but it seems to me that maybe because I'm a woman I don't get much attention or maybe my posts are not interesting enough... However, I'm going to continue to post because I just love this profession like my life and I'm not going to be discouraged by anybody's attitude.

I use Corona from about 2015 and I'm using it since but I think for this forum to be useful you need to have proper feedback indeed.

Thanks,
Cheers,
Valery
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: Juraj Talcik on 2019-06-19, 01:16:50
Odd resurrection of thread :- )

I would not look too deep into lack of interaction. Specific platform forums were dying breed 6 years ago, and they are almost completely dead nowadays. If I look at CGArchitect, I see like 5 people writing 5 posts per year, so Corona forum is in comparatively good shape. What I am saying, even due to origin of this grumpy thread, there never really was any policing against simple posts (there are like two mods here and they have other worries).

Almost everyone and everything gets ignored here outside of few occasional bubbles of interest. In this day and age, everyone needs to create their own audience in whatever way they are capable of doing. From 2012 when I begun, I've seen the shifts from Forums (CG Architect, CGTalk, Evermotion,etc..) to social medias (Facebook), then specific platforms (Behance), then back to social media (Instagram,...). It's fickle ever moving train. I don't think we'll see a resurgence of some tight-knit community spending time giving constructive feedback to each other. I think that train is definitely gone. Dead.

And I wouldn't look at the other platforms for constructive feedback and authentic support either. It's pretentious rat-race, even with 100 thousand followers on Instagram for example, 99perc. of the audience would give you "Nice work!" but they wouldn't even mean it, it would just be copy&paste to manipulate you into looking at them (or just bot). At least "Nice Work!" posted on forums actually means the person liked it, and it was probably real person :- ).

Not like the feedback given by random strangers with specific tastes and little understanding of artist's intent was ever valuable or something. Most of the time it's unsolicited crap. And that leads to my final point:  It's best to be one's own critique, or create small community of close friends& acquitances you trust to give you good feedback. When someone you trust tell you the composition isn't working, it's much better than "Random Johny" telling you "haha, your chair is floating 1 cm above floor, see ! You're not so good and I am very smart to notice random unimportant shit!"

Definitely continue to post, perseverance is most important, most people here can't tell stranger's gender and even the most interesting posts might not stir attention. You could post the most beautiful archviz work and some grumpy cat would come tell you "another building ? I would have liked more star wars ships". Just post away and don't give slightest fuck.


PS: Or maybe we should all finally move to Reddit ? I can't wait for all those "Fellow Coronauts, I am the only one thinking....(plz click to actually read total nonsense)" :- )
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: romullus on 2019-06-19, 10:04:57
I can confirm that people usually don't read the rules. If you don't get complimentary comments on your works, that's most likely not because people are discouraged to do so, but because of things that Juraj mentioned in his post. I think this "rule" is outdated and the topic probably needs to be unpinned. I can't remember that single congratz!!! post was ever deleted, or warning was issued for such reason.
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: Ondra on 2019-06-19, 11:22:36
Personally, here I barely get any attention when I post. I'm not totally ignored but it seems to me that maybe because I'm a woman I don't get much attention or maybe my posts are not interesting enough... However, I'm going to continue to post because I just love this profession like my life and I'm not going to be discouraged by anybody's attitude.

Hi,
can you show me where this happened or why you think this, so we can do something about this? We are against any discrimination, but I quickly scrolled through your posts and didnt find anything that indicated to posters that you were a woman, and in general they had what I would estimate as average amount of interaction for the forum... which is certainly less than most people would like, but as juraj pointed out, this is the trend for showing work on forums. The forum is primarily support tool for a renderer, and as such tends to be very technical.
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: evalery on 2019-06-19, 18:05:15

can you show me where this happened or why you think this, so we can do something about this? We are against any discrimination, but I quickly scrolled through your posts and didnt find anything that indicated to posters that you were a woman, and in general they had what I would estimate as average amount of interaction for the forum... which is certainly less than most people would like, but as juraj pointed out, this is the trend for showing work on forums. The forum is primarily support tool for a renderer, and as such tends to be very technical.
[/quote]

Hi Ondra,

thanks for your answer. No, sorry, it wasn't being fair to say that "because I'm a woman" I don't get attention, that was a stretch, I admit. I'm probably biased because of social media posts and the low percentage of women in this industry. But obviously it's nobody's fault here that this is happening, so I'm not blaming anybody. However...

there's a particular example I have in mind with a free a scene I posted recently out of genuine desire to help and share some of my experience with the community (being a test scene, an exercise and nothing original or creative). So I also posted this scene on evermotion forum and to be honest I have quite a similar amount of views but the major difference is that some people said: "thank you"... (it also got featured on the front page).
On the other hand, on this forum though nobody said absolutely anything like that, I had no replies apart from a reply from an administrator suspecting me of plagiarism. Of course, it's my fault because I should have been more specific with the credits and give the proper explanation of copyrights from the beginning.
https://corona-renderer.com/forum/index.php?topic=24789.0

...also on this forum, I've noticed another free scene giveaway (a Cinema4D one) from a company or guy that has a large number of views: https://corona-renderer.com/forum/index.php?topic=22061.0

and at least one " thank you" so I was just wondering... is it better than mine? or am I just being a woman and nobody's gonna even pay attention to my work - so that's what crossed my mind. I tried to give you a full picture of what happened in my mind in order for you to understand why I said that, but please feel free to blame it on my frustration...

it wasn't anything specific or a specific reason for me to mention the gender. It's probably that his scene is more interesting and in more demand and mine not so much. It's very tricky to judge things like that but generally, higher rated thigs tend to have more popularity non-popular things are not as good, so that would be a very basic judgement and I might just have to deal with that.

Anyway thanks for your answer and hope for understanding

Cheers,
V











Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: houska on 2019-06-19, 19:42:37
On the other hand, on this forum though nobody said absolutely anything like that, I had no replies apart from a reply from an administrator suspecting me of plagiarism. Of course, it's my fault because I should have been more specific with the credits and give the proper explanation of copyrights from the beginning.
https://corona-renderer.com/forum/index.php?topic=24789.0

I actually think you misunderstood the question. From what I understood, maru just wanted to know under which terms the scene and all assets inside it can be re-used. A fair concern in my opinion, especially for a free giveaway training scene that people can freely download and play with.
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: Ondra on 2019-06-19, 23:22:43
yeah, sharing free stuff is often thankless job. For example when I donate to free software I use, I often get surprised responses like "wow, somebody actually did it" :D. Since we cannot change how this works, the only other options are to either stop doing this, or game the system. Most free stuff shared online is part of some bigger plan, e.g. software developer trying to get more people to use their software, educators showing off their skills, artists building personal brands, etc.
If you just want to know that you are making a difference, I would recommend putting in something simple such as "If you play with the scene, I would *LOVE* to see what you create, my email is xyz".
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: evalery on 2019-06-20, 13:43:35
yeah, sharing free stuff is often thankless job. For example when I donate to free software I use, I often get surprised responses like "wow, somebody actually did it" :D. Since we cannot change how this works, the only other options are to either stop doing this, or game the system. Most free stuff shared online is part of some bigger plan, e.g. software developer trying to get more people to use their software, educators showing off their skills, artists building personal brands, etc.
If you just want to know that you are making a difference, I would recommend putting in something simple such as "If you play with the scene, I would *LOVE* to see what you create, my email is xyz".

I see your point, yes, I suppose it was a bit out of purpose. Thanks
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: evalery on 2019-06-20, 13:45:35
I actually think you misunderstood the question. From what I understood, maru just wanted to know under which terms the scene and all assets inside it can be re-used. A fair concern in my opinion, especially for a free giveaway training scene that people can freely download and play with.
[/quote]

Yes it was a fair question, it's just that I wasn't aware of all the implications, first time sharing smth for free
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: romullus on 2019-06-21, 11:37:27
Thread has been cleaned from off-topic discussions. From this point please stick strictly to the topic. If you have something to say not directly related to gallery commenting recommendations, please consider creating separate thread in according board. Thank you.
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: maru on 2019-06-22, 23:25:28
@Evalery - as Houska explained, my only concern was what exact license your scene is released under so that our team and other users would know. This is very important and often neglected by the creators. For example one can say "you can use this for whatever you wish, even without any kind of credit" (basically CC0 license) but also "you can use this for your images but always include my website address in a clearly visible place" or "you can use this only for personal tests", etc, and it's the user's obligation to find out what the specific license is. I asked this to clarify this for other forum users, and also in case we could use your scene for our tests and showcasing Corona features (obviously with proper credits!). So actually the main reason was that I was impressed with your work and wanted to clarify what the exact licensing is.
Sorry for the confusion, I will try to remember to include similar information in the future. I was not aware it could be misunderstood.
Thank you for your contribution. We are always happy to see the community grow in any way! :)

As to women in archviz and CG in general - I always find their works different (in a completely positive way!) and it's actually very hard for me to define this difference. Maybe women pay more attention to detail? I am not rally sure, but I can definitely spot it in the works of other female users here (there are actually quite a few examples on this forum). Why is there such disproportion between men and women in archviz? I don't really know. Maybe it's because guys are more into computer / technical stuff? (but is that really true?)
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: Designerman77 on 2019-06-22, 23:49:22
Fully agree with Maru´s last three sentences and I think we should maybe accentuate our female colleagues´ works more often.

Just "returned" from 3dsky one minute ago. Lots of great work with a special sense for detail comes from the ladies in the 3D business.
If you find - for example - outstandingly detailed 3D plant sets with hyper-detailed peonies, you can be sure it´s been made by a female artist.
A guy´s head would have exploded from having to be so patient while modeling. :))))
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: evalery on 2019-06-23, 12:08:27
Hi Maru,

Thanks for your answer. It's very nice to hear that, sorry I took it that way, it's hard to realise the tone in writing. Yes, I totally agree we need to be clear about licencing, I saw you asked the same question to other people that shared free scenes on the forum and it's only fair.

Anyway, thank you for clarifying and for the kind words you said about the girls in the community. I'm a supporter of other girls in the field because they're very few and tend to have self-trust issues more than guys.

I'm always happy to share work with the community every time I can and try to be more active on the forum. This forum is absolutely vital for corona users and I always check here first whenever I need to create a new project and every time I have a technical problem.

Thanks
Cheers,
V
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: evalery on 2019-06-23, 12:12:54
Hi Designerman77,

Thank you so much for the kind words! I will pass on your words to my girls' community, I'm sure they'll be appreciated

Cheers,
V
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: Ondra on 2019-06-23, 14:48:40
Hi Maru,

Thanks for your answer. It's very nice to hear that, sorry I took it that way, it's hard to realise the tone in writing. Yes, I totally agree we need to be clear about licencing, I saw you asked the same question to other people that shared free scenes on the forum and it's only fair.

Anyway, thank you for clarifying and for the kind words you said about the girls in the community. I'm a supporter of other girls in the field because they're very few and tend to have self-trust issues more than guys.

I'm always happy to share work with the community every time I can and try to be more active on the forum. This forum is absolutely vital for corona users and I always check here first whenever I need to create a new project and every time I have a technical problem.

Thanks
Cheers,
V

Communication over internet is hard... I recommend visiting some of the archviz conferences, you will see that almost everyone in the field is really nice person when you talk face to face. Additionally, Total Chaos had a panel with discussion about women in archviz, and I think there will be also one at this years siggraph.
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: evalery on 2019-06-23, 18:32:19
Hi Juraj,

Quote: "Definitely continue to post, perseverance is most important, most people here can't tell stranger's gender and even the most interesting posts might not stir attention. You could post the most beautiful archviz work and some grumpy cat would come tell you "another building ? I would have liked more star wars ships". Just post away and don't give slightest fuck."

I like your spirit (lol)
You are describing quite accurately what's out there... I suppose I wasn't very aware of the situation on forums because it seemed to me people are still quite active, especially on the archvis ones... but yes, almost everyone seems to be self-centred on his own work and not caring about other people's work... it's also an oversaturation of images as more and more people are doing this, but it's normal, the number of people choosing a career in CGI (or related) will continue to increase because the population is increasing overall and also it becomes easier to use software, etc, we already know the reasons.   

I understand it's not necessarily a matter of gender but maybe you know the guy who owns CGarchitect, Jeff Mottle, he created "Women in ArchVis" group on fb and since it started we had quite a number of trolls posting stuff like "women shouldn't do this... because of various reasons (from biological differences between genders to professional incapabilities, etc) really upsetting stuff...and so on..." so... someone creates a group to encourage a certain segment of professionals and what you get is also a number of haters... so I was rather under the influence of haters... when I mentioned gender...

I'm sorry I'm out of topic again, maybe this message will be erased but I just meant to say thanks to Juraj for replying!

cheers
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: Juraj Talcik on 2019-06-23, 19:16:59
I know the series as articles on website, but didn't know it had FB group, that's new!

8 years ago, when I first went to SOA Academy Days in Venice, the most popular Archviz event, I swear I remember it correctly, there were 2-3 women attending out of 150 guests, including my studio co-partner (and now wife) Veronika. But as years went by, I would say solid 30perc. attending now are women. So it's not parity yet, but I would say much better than many technical industries. Archviz is unique blend of creativity and technical proves, but so is Architecture itself, and when I attended Architecture College in Prague (CVUT), 60perc. were women, so I believe it will not be long before it's much more than my guess-timated 30/70. (I know Jeff does industry questionaries, but this never reaches enough people).

I am never one for stereotyping but I would fully agree there definitely is currently a soft influence among many best women Archviz artists. Same timeframe, 8 years ago, Alfa Smyrna known as Pixela (she was also speaker at that first SOA event!) was respected to the same degree as Bertrand Benoit and Peter Guthrie were and not only was she as technical as Bertrand (that is achievement in itself) she did had that "soft touch" to renderings that was pointed to me back then by Veronika on example of her bedroom rendering, where (outside of perfect light, materials,et..) she also painted the wallpaper on wall, positioned blanket and coffee mug. Plus perfect technical knowledge, I remember seeing Bertrand asking her for BruteForce settings of Vray ( I remember all sort of odd stuff...rather perfect longterm memory, zero short term sadly).
This is the rendering I am talking about: https://forums.cgsociety.org/t/my-bedroom-design-alfa-smyrna-3d/1403992

6 years ago, Veronika and I worked on personal project of Parisian Bedroom. Back then, every bed looked super CGI but also boring, it wasn't paid any attention to. Veronika loves fabrics, sewing and knitting, so she tried to make that better, took her 10 days but the result was something different. And yeah, we had guys ask us (some former classmates from architectural school), why bother with something like bed ? But it proved revolutionary to our studio. Up to this day, we have clients who just come and ask for that messy bed. We literally wouldn't be where we currently are in business if Veronika didn't brought her unique perspective as woman.
( Awkward self-promo for illustrative purpose https://www.behance.net/gallery/7009863/White-Bedroom-MarvelousDesigner-tutorial-for-3dArtist )

If I were to start naming some super talented Archviz individuals, few women would easily come straight to my mind without much trying as well at least. Britta Wikholm, Lucia Frascerra,..in Lucia's work particularly you can see the soft influence, Nefeli Kallianou, Ewelina Lekka, etc.

I would say women definitely have solid foothold in the industry. Maybe not yet where it could be, but definitely on path there.
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: evalery on 2019-06-23, 20:15:39
I know the series as articles on website, but didn't know it had FB group, that's new!

8 years ago, when I first went to SOA Academy Days in Venice, the most popular Archviz event, I swear I remember it correctly, there were 2-3 women attending out of 150 guests, including my studio co-partner (and now wife) Veronika. But as years went by, I would say solid 30perc. attending now are women. So it's not parity yet, but I would say much better than many technical industries. Archviz is unique blend of creativity and technical proves, but so is Architecture itself, and when I attended Architecture College in Prague (CVUT), 60perc. were women, so I believe it will not be long before it's much more than my guess-timated 30/70. (I know Jeff does industry questionaries, but this never reaches enough people).

I am never one for stereotyping but I would fully agree there definitely is currently a soft influence among many best women Archviz artists. Same timeframe, 8 years ago, Alfa Smyrna known as Pixela (she was also speaker at that first SOA event!) was respected to the same degree as Bertrand Benoit and Peter Guthrie were and not only was she as technical as Bertrand (that is achievement in itself) she did had that "soft touch" to renderings that was pointed to me back then by Veronika on example of her bedroom rendering, where (outside of perfect light, materials,et..) she also painted the wallpaper on wall, positioned blanket and coffee mug. Plus perfect technical knowledge, I remember seeing Bertrand asking her for BruteForce settings of Vray ( I remember all sort of odd stuff...rather perfect longterm memory, zero short term sadly).
This is the rendering I am talking about: https://forums.cgsociety.org/t/my-bedroom-design-alfa-smyrna-3d/1403992

6 years ago, Veronika and I worked on personal project of Parisian Bedroom. Back then, every bed looked super CGI but also boring, it wasn't paid any attention to. Veronika loves fabrics, sewing and knitting, so she tried to make that better, took her 10 days but the result was something different. And yeah, we had guys ask us (some former classmates from architectural school), why bother with something like bed ? But it proved revolutionary to our studio. Up to this day, we have clients who just come and ask for that messy bed. We literally wouldn't be where we currently are in business if Veronika didn't brought her unique perspective as woman.
( Awkward self-promo for illustrative purpose https://www.behance.net/gallery/7009863/White-Bedroom-MarvelousDesigner-tutorial-for-3dArtist )

If I were to start naming some super talented Archviz individuals, few women would easily come straight to my mind without much trying as well at least. Britta Wikholm, Lucia Frascerra,..in Lucia's work particularly you can see the soft influence, Nefeli Kallianou, Ewelina Lekka, etc.

I would say women definitely have solid foothold in the industry. Maybe not yet where it could be, but definitely on path there.


Thanks for your answer Juraj, I'm actually following your work from a long time ago, your fb page as well and I knew your work with the Parisian apartment when you first posted on behance, is very famous.
Thanks for the kind words about the women in the industry. I am also supporting women in archvis even though I'm not even an architect nor had architectural background (I studied fine arts, I was a graphic designer for many years) then learned 3d (in 2011) and that changed my life, I absolutely love it. I got into archvis by chance and it was a challenge with myself a lot. I don't intend to selfpromote either but I also loved to play in Marvelous designer: https://www.evnvis.co.uk/blog/ballerina-loft-tutorial
so I inderstand what you mean by attention to details and the messy bed :))
Thank you again for mentioning a few of the famous women artists out there, I totally admire them and some I know personally from the 3ds London meetups :)

again sorry corona team for this out of topic thingy here

cheers
Title: Re: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!
Post by: evalery on 2019-06-25, 14:03:46

Communication over internet is hard... I recommend visiting some of the archviz conferences, you will see that almost everyone in the field is really nice person when you talk face to face. Additionally, Total Chaos had a panel with discussion about women in archviz, and I think there will be also one at this years siggraph.
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Hi Ondra, yes, it's a lot better when you meet people at conferences and events believe me I would love to be able to attend every time. Lately, it became more difficult because we are parents but we (me&my husband who is a software developer) use to attend almost every industry event in London.

thanks