Author Topic: Grate workz!!! Congratz!!!!  (Read 26369 times)

2019-06-19, 10:04:57
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I can confirm that people usually don't read the rules. If you don't get complimentary comments on your works, that's most likely not because people are discouraged to do so, but because of things that Juraj mentioned in his post. I think this "rule" is outdated and the topic probably needs to be unpinned. I can't remember that single congratz!!! post was ever deleted, or warning was issued for such reason.
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2019-06-19, 11:22:36
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Personally, here I barely get any attention when I post. I'm not totally ignored but it seems to me that maybe because I'm a woman I don't get much attention or maybe my posts are not interesting enough... However, I'm going to continue to post because I just love this profession like my life and I'm not going to be discouraged by anybody's attitude.

Hi,
can you show me where this happened or why you think this, so we can do something about this? We are against any discrimination, but I quickly scrolled through your posts and didnt find anything that indicated to posters that you were a woman, and in general they had what I would estimate as average amount of interaction for the forum... which is certainly less than most people would like, but as juraj pointed out, this is the trend for showing work on forums. The forum is primarily support tool for a renderer, and as such tends to be very technical.
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2019-06-19, 18:05:15
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can you show me where this happened or why you think this, so we can do something about this? We are against any discrimination, but I quickly scrolled through your posts and didnt find anything that indicated to posters that you were a woman, and in general they had what I would estimate as average amount of interaction for the forum... which is certainly less than most people would like, but as juraj pointed out, this is the trend for showing work on forums. The forum is primarily support tool for a renderer, and as such tends to be very technical.
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Hi Ondra,

thanks for your answer. No, sorry, it wasn't being fair to say that "because I'm a woman" I don't get attention, that was a stretch, I admit. I'm probably biased because of social media posts and the low percentage of women in this industry. But obviously it's nobody's fault here that this is happening, so I'm not blaming anybody. However...

there's a particular example I have in mind with a free a scene I posted recently out of genuine desire to help and share some of my experience with the community (being a test scene, an exercise and nothing original or creative). So I also posted this scene on evermotion forum and to be honest I have quite a similar amount of views but the major difference is that some people said: "thank you"... (it also got featured on the front page).
On the other hand, on this forum though nobody said absolutely anything like that, I had no replies apart from a reply from an administrator suspecting me of plagiarism. Of course, it's my fault because I should have been more specific with the credits and give the proper explanation of copyrights from the beginning.
https://corona-renderer.com/forum/index.php?topic=24789.0

...also on this forum, I've noticed another free scene giveaway (a Cinema4D one) from a company or guy that has a large number of views: https://corona-renderer.com/forum/index.php?topic=22061.0

and at least one " thank you" so I was just wondering... is it better than mine? or am I just being a woman and nobody's gonna even pay attention to my work - so that's what crossed my mind. I tried to give you a full picture of what happened in my mind in order for you to understand why I said that, but please feel free to blame it on my frustration...

it wasn't anything specific or a specific reason for me to mention the gender. It's probably that his scene is more interesting and in more demand and mine not so much. It's very tricky to judge things like that but generally, higher rated thigs tend to have more popularity non-popular things are not as good, so that would be a very basic judgement and I might just have to deal with that.

Anyway thanks for your answer and hope for understanding

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2019-06-19, 19:42:37
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On the other hand, on this forum though nobody said absolutely anything like that, I had no replies apart from a reply from an administrator suspecting me of plagiarism. Of course, it's my fault because I should have been more specific with the credits and give the proper explanation of copyrights from the beginning.
https://corona-renderer.com/forum/index.php?topic=24789.0

I actually think you misunderstood the question. From what I understood, maru just wanted to know under which terms the scene and all assets inside it can be re-used. A fair concern in my opinion, especially for a free giveaway training scene that people can freely download and play with.

2019-06-19, 23:22:43
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yeah, sharing free stuff is often thankless job. For example when I donate to free software I use, I often get surprised responses like "wow, somebody actually did it" :D. Since we cannot change how this works, the only other options are to either stop doing this, or game the system. Most free stuff shared online is part of some bigger plan, e.g. software developer trying to get more people to use their software, educators showing off their skills, artists building personal brands, etc.
If you just want to know that you are making a difference, I would recommend putting in something simple such as "If you play with the scene, I would *LOVE* to see what you create, my email is xyz".
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2019-06-20, 13:43:35
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yeah, sharing free stuff is often thankless job. For example when I donate to free software I use, I often get surprised responses like "wow, somebody actually did it" :D. Since we cannot change how this works, the only other options are to either stop doing this, or game the system. Most free stuff shared online is part of some bigger plan, e.g. software developer trying to get more people to use their software, educators showing off their skills, artists building personal brands, etc.
If you just want to know that you are making a difference, I would recommend putting in something simple such as "If you play with the scene, I would *LOVE* to see what you create, my email is xyz".

I see your point, yes, I suppose it was a bit out of purpose. Thanks
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2019-06-20, 13:45:35
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I actually think you misunderstood the question. From what I understood, maru just wanted to know under which terms the scene and all assets inside it can be re-used. A fair concern in my opinion, especially for a free giveaway training scene that people can freely download and play with.
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Yes it was a fair question, it's just that I wasn't aware of all the implications, first time sharing smth for free
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2019-06-21, 11:37:27
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Thread has been cleaned from off-topic discussions. From this point please stick strictly to the topic. If you have something to say not directly related to gallery commenting recommendations, please consider creating separate thread in according board. Thank you.
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2019-06-22, 23:25:28
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@Evalery - as Houska explained, my only concern was what exact license your scene is released under so that our team and other users would know. This is very important and often neglected by the creators. For example one can say "you can use this for whatever you wish, even without any kind of credit" (basically CC0 license) but also "you can use this for your images but always include my website address in a clearly visible place" or "you can use this only for personal tests", etc, and it's the user's obligation to find out what the specific license is. I asked this to clarify this for other forum users, and also in case we could use your scene for our tests and showcasing Corona features (obviously with proper credits!). So actually the main reason was that I was impressed with your work and wanted to clarify what the exact licensing is.
Sorry for the confusion, I will try to remember to include similar information in the future. I was not aware it could be misunderstood.
Thank you for your contribution. We are always happy to see the community grow in any way! :)

As to women in archviz and CG in general - I always find their works different (in a completely positive way!) and it's actually very hard for me to define this difference. Maybe women pay more attention to detail? I am not rally sure, but I can definitely spot it in the works of other female users here (there are actually quite a few examples on this forum). Why is there such disproportion between men and women in archviz? I don't really know. Maybe it's because guys are more into computer / technical stuff? (but is that really true?)

2019-06-22, 23:49:22
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Fully agree with Maru´s last three sentences and I think we should maybe accentuate our female colleagues´ works more often.

Just "returned" from 3dsky one minute ago. Lots of great work with a special sense for detail comes from the ladies in the 3D business.
If you find - for example - outstandingly detailed 3D plant sets with hyper-detailed peonies, you can be sure it´s been made by a female artist.
A guy´s head would have exploded from having to be so patient while modeling. :))))

2019-06-23, 12:08:27
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Hi Maru,

Thanks for your answer. It's very nice to hear that, sorry I took it that way, it's hard to realise the tone in writing. Yes, I totally agree we need to be clear about licencing, I saw you asked the same question to other people that shared free scenes on the forum and it's only fair.

Anyway, thank you for clarifying and for the kind words you said about the girls in the community. I'm a supporter of other girls in the field because they're very few and tend to have self-trust issues more than guys.

I'm always happy to share work with the community every time I can and try to be more active on the forum. This forum is absolutely vital for corona users and I always check here first whenever I need to create a new project and every time I have a technical problem.

Thanks
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2019-06-23, 12:12:54
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Hi Designerman77,

Thank you so much for the kind words! I will pass on your words to my girls' community, I'm sure they'll be appreciated

Cheers,
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2019-06-23, 14:48:40
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Hi Maru,

Thanks for your answer. It's very nice to hear that, sorry I took it that way, it's hard to realise the tone in writing. Yes, I totally agree we need to be clear about licencing, I saw you asked the same question to other people that shared free scenes on the forum and it's only fair.

Anyway, thank you for clarifying and for the kind words you said about the girls in the community. I'm a supporter of other girls in the field because they're very few and tend to have self-trust issues more than guys.

I'm always happy to share work with the community every time I can and try to be more active on the forum. This forum is absolutely vital for corona users and I always check here first whenever I need to create a new project and every time I have a technical problem.

Thanks
Cheers,
V

Communication over internet is hard... I recommend visiting some of the archviz conferences, you will see that almost everyone in the field is really nice person when you talk face to face. Additionally, Total Chaos had a panel with discussion about women in archviz, and I think there will be also one at this years siggraph.
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2019-06-23, 18:32:19
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Hi Juraj,

Quote: "Definitely continue to post, perseverance is most important, most people here can't tell stranger's gender and even the most interesting posts might not stir attention. You could post the most beautiful archviz work and some grumpy cat would come tell you "another building ? I would have liked more star wars ships". Just post away and don't give slightest fuck."

I like your spirit (lol)
You are describing quite accurately what's out there... I suppose I wasn't very aware of the situation on forums because it seemed to me people are still quite active, especially on the archvis ones... but yes, almost everyone seems to be self-centred on his own work and not caring about other people's work... it's also an oversaturation of images as more and more people are doing this, but it's normal, the number of people choosing a career in CGI (or related) will continue to increase because the population is increasing overall and also it becomes easier to use software, etc, we already know the reasons.   

I understand it's not necessarily a matter of gender but maybe you know the guy who owns CGarchitect, Jeff Mottle, he created "Women in ArchVis" group on fb and since it started we had quite a number of trolls posting stuff like "women shouldn't do this... because of various reasons (from biological differences between genders to professional incapabilities, etc) really upsetting stuff...and so on..." so... someone creates a group to encourage a certain segment of professionals and what you get is also a number of haters... so I was rather under the influence of haters... when I mentioned gender...

I'm sorry I'm out of topic again, maybe this message will be erased but I just meant to say thanks to Juraj for replying!

cheers
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2019-06-23, 19:16:59
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I know the series as articles on website, but didn't know it had FB group, that's new!

8 years ago, when I first went to SOA Academy Days in Venice, the most popular Archviz event, I swear I remember it correctly, there were 2-3 women attending out of 150 guests, including my studio co-partner (and now wife) Veronika. But as years went by, I would say solid 30perc. attending now are women. So it's not parity yet, but I would say much better than many technical industries. Archviz is unique blend of creativity and technical proves, but so is Architecture itself, and when I attended Architecture College in Prague (CVUT), 60perc. were women, so I believe it will not be long before it's much more than my guess-timated 30/70. (I know Jeff does industry questionaries, but this never reaches enough people).

I am never one for stereotyping but I would fully agree there definitely is currently a soft influence among many best women Archviz artists. Same timeframe, 8 years ago, Alfa Smyrna known as Pixela (she was also speaker at that first SOA event!) was respected to the same degree as Bertrand Benoit and Peter Guthrie were and not only was she as technical as Bertrand (that is achievement in itself) she did had that "soft touch" to renderings that was pointed to me back then by Veronika on example of her bedroom rendering, where (outside of perfect light, materials,et..) she also painted the wallpaper on wall, positioned blanket and coffee mug. Plus perfect technical knowledge, I remember seeing Bertrand asking her for BruteForce settings of Vray ( I remember all sort of odd stuff...rather perfect longterm memory, zero short term sadly).
This is the rendering I am talking about: https://forums.cgsociety.org/t/my-bedroom-design-alfa-smyrna-3d/1403992

6 years ago, Veronika and I worked on personal project of Parisian Bedroom. Back then, every bed looked super CGI but also boring, it wasn't paid any attention to. Veronika loves fabrics, sewing and knitting, so she tried to make that better, took her 10 days but the result was something different. And yeah, we had guys ask us (some former classmates from architectural school), why bother with something like bed ? But it proved revolutionary to our studio. Up to this day, we have clients who just come and ask for that messy bed. We literally wouldn't be where we currently are in business if Veronika didn't brought her unique perspective as woman.
( Awkward self-promo for illustrative purpose https://www.behance.net/gallery/7009863/White-Bedroom-MarvelousDesigner-tutorial-for-3dArtist )

If I were to start naming some super talented Archviz individuals, few women would easily come straight to my mind without much trying as well at least. Britta Wikholm, Lucia Frascerra,..in Lucia's work particularly you can see the soft influence, Nefeli Kallianou, Ewelina Lekka, etc.

I would say women definitely have solid foothold in the industry. Maybe not yet where it could be, but definitely on path there.
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