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2020-03-02, 09:12:53
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good morning everyone!

first of all: thanks for this helpful thread!

I'm trying to configure a new workstation, but I'm still uncertain with a few choices.
This will be my first PC I configure on my own, so I hope there is no big mistake in there.

My configuration so far:

Case: FRACTAL DESIGN DEFINE 7
  or should I go with the FRACTAL DESIGN MESHIFY S2 because of better airflow?
  I'm a bit scared that the MESHIFY S2 will be louder and get more dust inside
CPU: THREADRIPPER 3970x
Mainboard: GIGABYTE TRX40 AORUS MASTER
  or should I go with a ATX board MSI TRX40 PRO WIFI for example?
Graphic Card: SAPPHIRE RADEON RX 5700 XT NITRO+
  or should I go with Nvidia because of the Radeon driver issues?
RAM: CORSAIR DIMM 64GB DDR4-3200 Quad-Kit, CL16, Vengeance LPX
  will there be a big difference for the CPU between 64GB and 128GB?
Cooler: NH-U14S TR4-SP3
  I know there is no really perfect solution for cooling the CPU yet...
  I heard that you can add an additional Noctua NF-A15.
  do you think I should go with the dual tower solution?
  or probably even waiting with buying the PC till there is a proper solution?
  cooling the cpu is still the point i'm most unhappy with.
SSD01: SAMSUNG 970 EVO 500 GB
SSD02: SAMSUNG 860 QVO 2 TB
Power: BE QUIET! STRAIGHT POWER 11 Platinum 1000W


Thanks in advance for your tipps
« Last Edit: 2020-03-02, 09:24:15 by frame9 »

2020-03-02, 09:34:16
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Good morning...
I've been following this thread from times, it's really an incredible source of useful knowledge...
I'm really debated these days, 'cause I've a 1950x cpu never mounted on a workstation.
My question is really simple: is it a bad idea to build a workstation with that cpu?
I've read a similar discussion on this thread concerning a 1920x. I know that a 3950x would be 30% faster than 1950x, but I've already that cpu, and from what I've read it seems that there's no way to resell it.
Any suggestion?
Thx in advance

2020-03-03, 11:32:02
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MRBIG.

no difference in regards to percentages, it depends on your usages.

If you go from Cpu 6/12  to 16/32 then you are already seeing a huge difference. That is almost x3 difference in your speed and time savings.
Rough numbers - so CPU 6/12 takes 3hours then 16/32 should be 1 hour. You can work it out

Don't fall for the hype. Cores/ram/gpu will never be enough. You will always be asked to do more, give more in shorter time frames. until you drop dead and be replaced by someone else. You dont really save time with more power, it just means you do many more iterations or do more images in shorter time frames. In fact the work load actually increases. At work I used 48 thread cpu and now its not enough due to shorter time frames.




2020-03-03, 15:41:03
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Please forgive me Juraj, could you take a quick look one more time before I order all of this?

AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970x
Gigabyte TRX40 AORUS MASTER
Corsair Vengeance LPX, DDR4, 64 GB,3200MHz, CL16 (CMK64GX4M2E3200C16)    4x32GB total 128GB
NH-U14S TR4-SP3 + extra  NF-A15 PWM
Fractal design meshify s2 + as much noctua fans I can put in there.
Seasonic Prime 1300W 80 Plus Gold     or      Seasonic Prime Ultra 1000W 80 Plus Titanium
Geforce gtx 1080 ti    or    Geforce rtx 2080 ti
BenQ PD3200U
win 10PRO

Not sure if meshify is a good choice here, any suggestions?

TH


 

2020-03-03, 16:22:27
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Please forgive me Juraj, could you take a quick look one more time before I order all of this?

AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970x
Gigabyte TRX40 AORUS MASTER
Corsair Vengeance LPX, DDR4, 64 GB,3200MHz, CL16 (CMK64GX4M2E3200C16)    4x32GB total 128GB
NH-U14S TR4-SP3 + extra  NF-A15 PWM
Fractal design meshify s2 + as much noctua fans I can put in there.
Seasonic Prime 1300W 80 Plus Gold     or      Seasonic Prime Ultra 1000W 80 Plus Titanium
Geforce gtx 1080 ti    or    Geforce rtx 2080 ti
BenQ PD3200U
win 10PRO

Not sure if meshify is a good choice here, any suggestions?

TH
That memory is only dual channel, I would go with quad like F4-3200C16Q2-128GTZ. Don't bother with extra fan with NH-U14s TR4-SP3 as I understand it it doesn't help.  I would suggest better thermal grease and stronger fan for better cooling with it. Go 1300w 80 plus gold. Get a 2080ti, much better than 1080ti but I would wait if you can I think they are about to announce 3000 series at GDC. So 2080ti might get cheaper. Case is okay, I don't like boards laying vertical, traps heat between cards and all rises at processors. I would look at a Thermaltake Core X5, I have the Core X9 which was the best for cooling and they discontinued them, bastards.

2020-03-03, 16:57:42
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I'll have a look later today.

That memory is only dual channel,

How did you come to this conclusion... ? Memory modules don't have any channels, the platform does. 4x32GB is quad-channel on TRX40.
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2020-03-03, 17:23:11
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I'll have a look later today.

That memory is only dual channel,

How did you come to this conclusion... ? Memory modules don't have any channels, the platform does. 4x32GB is quad-channel on TRX40.
I looked up the ram model number but it brought up a different ram instead. (CMK64GX4M2E3200C16) isn't 4x32 like twoheads says, it's 2x32.
« Last Edit: 2020-03-03, 17:29:43 by dfcorona »

2020-03-03, 18:24:25
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I'll have a look later today.

That memory is only dual channel,

How did you come to this conclusion... ? Memory modules don't have any channels, the platform does. 4x32GB is quad-channel on TRX40.
I looked up the ram model number but it brought up a different ram instead. (CMK64GX4M2E3200C16) isn't 4x32 like twoheads says, it's 2x32.

He will simply buy two packages 🙂
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2020-03-03, 18:30:38
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I'll have a look later today.

That memory is only dual channel,

How did you come to this conclusion... ? Memory modules don't have any channels, the platform does. 4x32GB is quad-channel on TRX40.
I looked up the ram model number but it brought up a different ram instead. (CMK64GX4M2E3200C16) isn't 4x32 like twoheads says, it's 2x32.

He will simply buy two packages 🙂
Honestly I read it so fast while multitasking here I thought he was going with just the 2x, I meant go 4x, sorry I should of took a minute and wrote it better, swamped over here.  So what did you end up doing Juraj, did you end up building custom water cooling?

2020-03-03, 19:39:24
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The OptimusPC waterblock still did not arrive :- ). But the PC works perfectly with the Noctua UH14S.

Please forgive me Juraj, could you take a quick look one more time before I order all of this?

AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970x
Gigabyte TRX40 AORUS MASTER
Corsair Vengeance LPX, DDR4, 64 GB,3200MHz, CL16 (CMK64GX4M2E3200C16)    4x32GB total 128GB
NH-U14S TR4-SP3 + extra  NF-A15 PWM
Fractal design meshify s2 + as much noctua fans I can put in there.
Seasonic Prime 1300W 80 Plus Gold     or      Seasonic Prime Ultra 1000W 80 Plus Titanium
Geforce gtx 1080 ti    or    Geforce rtx 2080 ti

Not sure if meshify is a good choice here, any suggestions?

TH

Everything looks good to me. Take the higher capacity Prime, it will leave you option for two GPUs in future should you want to and it will run at lower load in passive mode.
Mesh S2 is really good case for air-flow.
U14s doesn't need the additional fan, and with A15 there is resonance between them, I didn't find it pleasant.

For 2080ti vs 1080ti, I would buy second hand 1080ti for 350 +/- Euro and wait for 3000 gen cards. The 2080ti is imho really poor choice for Corona/3dsMax because the performance in viewport is of course almost identical, it still has only 11GB memory which is too little for too much money. The tensor cores do nothing right now for most part, and the RTX in professional use (Unreal,etc..) require lot more than single 2080ti to drive it properly.

There is very solid chance that 3080/Ti will come with 16+ GB Vram, and that is game-changer for mainstream finally.

Now with memory, I will always suggest like you did to do 4x32GB instead of 8x16GB because of following:
- Option to upgrade to 256GB in future
- Less stress on memory controller, thus more stable, higher clocks even with less quality memory modules.

But unfortunately, there is very little selection right now. In about a month+ high-quality micron rev-e modules will come from both Crucial (Micron's own brand) and G-Skill, but they're not here yet.
That leaves is with older G-Skill kit and three Corsair kits. The Corsair comes in LPX and RGB Pro but they don't state what dies they are made with.

The mismatched memory few pages back on my 3990X is Corsair RGB & RGB PRO (4 modules of each), and I originally thought it's the same dies, but Taiphoon burner told me last week that RGB is just cheap Hynix AFR, and the RGB PRO is Samsung B-Die.
So I worry that Corsair might have done something similar here as well, and would suggest to buy their RGB PRO kits just to have guarantee to receive better dies if they decided to make such split as well. The price difference is very small.

But keep the receipts ;- ). And check back in 3 weeks, if this memory becomes available:
https://geizhals.eu/crucial-ballistix-black-dimm-kit-64gb-bl2k32g36c16u4b-a2222501.html?hloc=at&hloc=de&hloc=eu&hloc=pl&hloc=uk

That will be the state of the art memory for Threadripper available on market. When it arrives, consider returning your Corsair kit and buy this one instead if you come across any issues getting the memory running stable at decided frequency & timings.

I'll comment on dfcorona's suggestions as well, but don't take it (you or him) that I wish to contradict it, I'll just share my personal experience, nothing else:

I have found zero difference between Cryonaut and Noctua's paste when it comes to temperatures. And I tested it back-to-back during loop assembly for 2990WX last year.
And that was using the full-spread method, not the X-method. With Cryonaut, the X is not even that good option because the paste is harder, thicker. Don't need to say how easy X-method is, and how easy Noctua paste spreads :- ). I would keep it easy therefore.
I would not suggest ever replacing NF series fans with Industrial PPC. These fans simply offer higher RPMs, but when normalized to identical RPM (let's say 1000) they don't provide better airflow, pressure...but definitely run much noisier.
Since I started using the sterrox NF-A12 (only in 120mm for now exists), even the A14/A15 sound terrible to me past 800 RPM. (The NF-A12 sound fantastic even at 2000 because of their deep sound profile). But the PPC is just unnecessary and not suggested for personal use computers.


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2020-03-03, 19:54:30
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Yes I should add we have the Industrial PPC fans at 100% at all time on heatsink.  Keeps it nice and cool and is barely any louder than what we had with our AIO at 100% also.  But to each there own, some people are bothered by some noise, this sounds like white noise to us.  With the Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut we did see a difference in temp, I cannot remember how much, but not by much but for $7 on a $4k cpu you decide.  Either way it's going to be an awesome system, 3000 series is great, loving Mine.

2020-03-05, 11:50:01
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Thanks STHA,
you're definitively right. Never enough of ram/cores.
But my question was a little bit tricky. I'm thinking about utilising a 1950x cpu I have and buying other parts(motherboard ram etc) or buy a new 3950x, more recent cpu and parts... (3950x is roughly 25% faster than 1950x, based on corona benchmark results). At this moment I don't have enough money to go on 3960x or higher(unless I get some money back trying to sell the 1950x)
Thx

MRBIG.

no difference in regards to percentages, it depends on your usages.

If you go from Cpu 6/12  to 16/32 then you are already seeing a huge difference. That is almost x3 difference in your speed and time savings.
Rough numbers - so CPU 6/12 takes 3hours then 16/32 should be 1 hour. You can work it out

Don't fall for the hype. Cores/ram/gpu will never be enough. You will always be asked to do more, give more in shorter time frames. until you drop dead and be replaced by someone else. You dont really save time with more power, it just means you do many more iterations or do more images in shorter time frames. In fact the work load actually increases. At work I used 48 thread cpu and now its not enough due to shorter time frames.

2020-03-06, 01:46:54
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Does your guys system show like this? 2 NUMA nodes? I think it's giving some of my software issues using all cores.

When I go to set affinity for a program it shows Group 0 and Group 1, isn't that wrong?
« Last Edit: 2020-03-06, 02:22:42 by dfcorona »

2020-03-06, 09:29:50
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Correct.
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2020-03-06, 15:30:50
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Correct.
oh okay, thanks Juraj. I thought the Windows patch fix put everything in one group. I know it fixed the two CPU issue.